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Offline Chaser

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« on: Mon November 04, 2013, 05:41:20 PM »
So ?I know the rate you charge depends greatly on the cost of the material, gas, and labor and so on but what is a going rate and is it a per lane mile or square foot? From what i have found 1 lane mile equals 63,360 sq. ft.

Also do you charge more for de-icing as apposed to anti-icing? (driving on ice vs on dry pavement)


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« Reply #1 on: Mon November 04, 2013, 08:37:06 PM »
If you are talking about hydroseeding rates it is most commonly by the square foot. Some are by the sq yd or by the acre or by the unit which equals 1000 sq ft. .06 to .10 per sq ft is about the range that prices can be depending on which part of the country your in. Also size of the job also has a lot to do with price. Large jobs will go for less per sq ft then small jobs. I have no clue what a lane mile is. If it is 10' wide it would be 52800 sq ft, if it is 20' wide it would be 105600 sq ft. Most overlay jobs it would be around 21000 sq ft at 4' wide.
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« Reply #2 on: Mon November 04, 2013, 10:50:31 PM »
Sorry i am talking about de-icing and anti-icing rates.

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« Reply #3 on: Tue November 05, 2013, 09:05:04 AM »
CAN'T HELP YOU THERE
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« Reply #4 on: Tue November 05, 2013, 12:50:05 PM »
I think in most cases if it is a parking lot you would charge by the acre and if it is a road you would charge by the mile or portion thereof. 

I would suggest computing your material cost for the job and then multiplying that by a number somewhere around 5 - 7.  You can change that number as it suits you. 

For Example if Lowes called you and wanted you to anti-ice their parking lot and it was two acres.   If you were to apply the material at 30 gallons per acre and were paying 40 cents a gallon for material then you would have 60 gallons of material x 40 cents or 24.00 in material.  That would mean you could charge anywhere from $ 120 - $ 170.00 per application.     Sometimes for de-icing you would be applying the material heavier so you would do the same.   
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« Reply #5 on: Wed November 13, 2013, 07:10:55 PM »
Please tell me the .40 per gallon is a guess and not what your actually getting per gallon.


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« Reply #6 on: Wed November 13, 2013, 10:08:55 PM »
Has anyone used this

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200449159_200449159?cm_mmc=Google-pla-_-Snow%20%2B%20Ice%20Removal-_-De-Icers-_-507174&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=507174&gclid=CJX10ZSk47oCFY0-Mgod3m0AlA

I also found a bare ground product but its as much as one of the places i got a quote from.

I am also trying to get contact with ADM since they are local and may be a tad cheaper.

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« Reply #7 on: Thu November 14, 2013, 08:05:03 AM »
Please tell me the .40 per gallon is a guess and not what your actually getting per gallon.

That would be a price for salt brine and there is a range.  I have seen it as low as 25 cents and above 50 cents.   35-40 cents is probably pretty typical. 
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« Reply #8 on: Thu November 14, 2013, 08:24:56 AM »
I've been seeing about $5.00 plus for a gallon for liquid deicer

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« Reply #9 on: Thu November 14, 2013, 08:32:40 AM »
Has anyone used this

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200449159_200449159?cm_mmc=Google-pla-_-Snow%20%2B%20Ice%20Removal-_-De-Icers-_-507174&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=507174&gclid=CJX10ZSk47oCFY0-Mgod3m0AlA

I also found a bare ground product but its as much as one of the places i got a quote from.

I am also trying to get contact with ADM since they are local and may be a tad cheaper.


When I first took a glance at it I was skeptical.   So many of the "mail order" liquid deicers are priced at a rip off price but that isn't really too bad but still way overpriced.   It is 100% calcium chloride.   I will agree that it is good to -25 degrees and you can apply it at a lower rate than salt brine.  It is a common anti-icing liquid.  Probably the only negative is that it does leave a glossy film on the road that some don't like but still it is an excellent choice as far as liquid deicers go.

The price from them does include a tote which does have some value.   If you were to shop locally for 100% calcium chloride a typical price would be about 60 cents a gallon.   So locally you could buy the same material (but without the tote) for around $ 166.00.  Calcium chloride is relatively easy to find since it has so many uses. 

Another option you might think about is start and get whatever you can, calcium chloride or salt brine and once you are established and doing well we came out with a new brine maker that would let you make your own liquid salt brine for 10 cents a gallon or a hot brine which is 90% salt brine and 10% calcium chloride for 20 cents a gallon which would be good to 5 degrees and doesn't have the glossy film on the road that straight calcium chloride does.   The brine makers start at $ 2995.00 so it you are doing well with that part of the business it would pay for itself quickly.   Starting in I would hold off on that though. 

Here is a link to the brine maker    http://www.icecontrolsprayers.com/Brine_Maker.html
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Re: Rates
« Reply #10 on: Thu November 14, 2013, 08:34:51 AM »
I've been seeing about $5.00 plus for a gallon for liquid deicer

That is pretty high.  I think you can find better if you shop around.  Among the materials that the pro's are using the highest I have seen is Magic Salt at about 3 bucks a gallon.  Do an internet search for "Calcium Chloride" and call some of the people who sell it and I think you will find a much better price. 
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« Reply #11 on: Thu November 14, 2013, 12:40:02 PM »
I contacted some of the suppliers on your site that are close to me but most of them want me to call them but with my current work schedule is next to impossible

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« Reply #12 on: Thu November 14, 2013, 11:14:25 PM »
After doing some more research i plan on putting the liquid deicing on the backburner until people gain more interest in it. This will save about $3,000 in start up costs.

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« Reply #13 on: Fri November 15, 2013, 10:09:21 AM »
My guess is that it will be far easier to sell the hydroseeding services than spraying the liquids so that might be the best course of action.  If you were already in the snow removal business then that might be a different story. 

You are doing a nice job of analyzing everything.
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